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so that was the trailer for an

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up-and-coming sci-fi alien encounter

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movie called the shepherd

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joining me now for this interview is the

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movie's director cutter

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as well as one of the assistants on the

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film nicholas ewing

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i hope you enjoy this interview thanks

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for watching

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so guys thank you so much for being here

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i really appreciate it i'm very excited

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to talk about the the shepherd movie

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that you guys have been working on so i

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guess the first sort of talking point

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i'd like to get to is uh

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how it came about

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yeah that's a great that's a great

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question um

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so i would say it was sort of two two

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colliding two gliding things um

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uh i was on a trip in the andes uh to a

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place called kilatoa uh which is a

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volcano in ecuador and with my

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girlfriend

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i had this really strong feeling being

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there that i wanted to make a film in

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this place but i didn't quite have an

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idea and a few days later i was on a

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plane coming back and i start messaging

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with nick who's a close friend of mine

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and we were

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he sort of pitched pitched me this idea

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about about a herder

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um you know who has an encounter with

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aliens and i was sort of like say no

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more i know exactly where

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this this should go and where this

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should where this should take place and

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of of us developing this this this film

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idea

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of um you know

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story but set in

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um so i would say that it was sort of a

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a merge of of

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nick's kind of like deep deep interest

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and and experiences sort of in the ufo

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community

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and then you know me having this kind of

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visceral reaction to the to the place

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and those two things kind of hitting

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when you say nick that's that's about

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right that sounds exactly

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it was random we were we were honestly

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just like chatting goofing around and

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then like with this plot idea and then

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the more we talked about it cutter's

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like no no

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hold on hold on like no let's we need to

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have sessions we need to have sessions

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nice man that's what i guess my next

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question was going to be how many times

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did it's off did you actually sit down

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together and sort of piece it together

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before you even you know started on the

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sort of pre-production or anything

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an interesting way to make a movie which

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kind of unique version of it where

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of just truth to the whole experience i

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think we're getting to that point where

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unless we go there and start to kind of

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planning a trip you know after i would

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extensive kind of idea you know

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amiela cayo um who we got introduced to

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scenes and the ideas that we had and the

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sort of terrain and saw the beauty of

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big budget horror movies they start

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extremely i'm not saying we're doing

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like horror but we want it to be

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thrilling and we want it to we want you

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to feel that creepy feeling

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and uh something about being satiated by

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like a gorgeous landscape and then being

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pitted into something that's

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intense the contrast it that's that's

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doing and it just freaks me out every

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beauty can just be so powerful and

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i was really out of my element because

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i've never been a part of a film crew

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i was like the worst one

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the andean plateau in colombia so you

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environment the beauty and that but then

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year so that i think that's one thing

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i really connected with it instantly and

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that anyone that sees it and watches it

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in the future will will get a connection

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just from it being so beautiful what

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were you what brought you down to

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times in the past but i've got a friend

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who lives out there so he invited a team

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of us out there to to do an

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investigation and

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phenomena on video and we're going to

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kind of go back out next year with more

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sensor systems and equipment to try and

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like our film that's that's uh

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yeah absolutely man absolutely but i

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probably just play the trailer um and so

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i had literally have goosebumps on my

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special effects it's obviously going to

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be really character based and story

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based in the visual landscapes um and

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of this alien craft and the lights and i

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like that intrigue as well

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so yeah i think that's incredible

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i i think that intrigue is a big part of

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what is so potent about this ufo topic

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and i think it's what hollywood gets

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wrong too i think that when people think

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about the ufo phenomenon and how it's

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happening happening right now it's like

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well of questions and and unknowns and

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uncertainties

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and a lot of them really put into

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question

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you know people's life view and beliefs

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and there's there's something really

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scary inherently about the real stuff

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that is is going on the actual things

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that we can hear about there's no need

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to make a crazy looking ship or make

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them bomb the planet all the all the

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answers all the interest is is in those

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crazy unknowns and the fact that it

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might relate to consciousness to i mean

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there's

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so many possibilities um it's a really

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good way for us to show the humanity of

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our characters because they're dealing

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with something that is not only scary

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but it's extremely intimate and and

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you know it and it's right in the midst

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of a something crazy going on in his

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family life so i mean this is just a guy

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who is

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way over stimulated he's way he's got

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way too much on his plate

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yeah that's that's the thing without

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obviously any spoilers for anyone what

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can you tell me about

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the character his family what's

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happening to him and

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and the kind of

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why these beings or whoever they may be

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are there

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you know there was there's something

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that nick has talked a lot about which

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is that the

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and for everybody who's had some sort of

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experience or interaction with the

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phenomenon that that it's such a

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life-changing experience that

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um they're either on the verge of

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insanity and they're

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they're having to sort of convince

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people that they're

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um that they're they're not they haven't

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lost their mind because the the

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experience is so real to them you know i

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think that just that starts to

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start to ask questions about humans with

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faith and with our own kind of

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beliefs in any direction and so i think

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this this character who who's

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essentially people are going missing in

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in a certain region in the in the

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mountains

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um

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you know it becomes sort of a metaphor

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for

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with mystery and and with the unknown

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and

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i think this character provides a really

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really grounded and and

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realistic way in you know in that the

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the we're also we're also seeing kind of

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a world that we haven't seen depicted in

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cinema a lot which is something that i

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think i've tried to do throughout my

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career is sort of push push forward you

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know a new way of looking into things

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and and

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um

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i think one of the critical critical

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reasons we went to the andes is because

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there's such a

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uh such a hotbed of you know modern ufo

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sightings and there's a

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rich history that kind of crosses paths

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with

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and so i think for all of those reasons

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it's just kind of

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this kind of interesting blend of of of

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ideas and um

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and really just what feels to me like

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it's i think

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to both of us you know a really obvious

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place to make a ufo film and and really

359
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feels like

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it's asking for for it you know

361
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absolutely yeah you know what else is

362
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cool about the peruvian undies is that

363
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there's you know not many trees and it's

364
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pretty wide open

365
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and and when you have these open shots

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as soon as you know that there's

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something in the air it feels very

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exposed to the sky and cutter has these

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crazy plans of how he's going to depict

370
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that feeling of being like naked to an

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open sky

372
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that's a big advantage too

373
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yeah that's amazing

374
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yeah i think yeah

375
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i was just going to say you know it's

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it's a it can be you know some of the

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feedback that we've gotten online it's

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understandably can be kind of a

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confusing place that we are in the in

380
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the process you know um not everybody

381
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goes and makes sort of some short

382
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material before they before they make

383
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the full film but it's it's a path that

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we've taken in the past to sort of

385
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build some interest around the idea and

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and

387
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so what we've done is we've made a short

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film um sort of along the way that that

389
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has helped us understand the idea but

390
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that is also

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kind of part of the the feature film so

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um we you know we're in the process

393
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right now of of basically you know you

394
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know financing the movie um

395
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so this is you're catching us sort of

396
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in the early stages of the feature film

397
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but in the

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you know in the depths of development

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and

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film

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likely to sort of become is that being

402
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released just publicly or is that

403
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exclusive

404
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not just yet it's it's we're

405
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we'll play it at some film festivals um

406
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you know in 2023 um but we're

407
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simultaneously going to go into

408
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production on the on the feature film

409
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um in early 2023.

410
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awesome and you do have a wii funder

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page set up where people can donate

412
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which people will be able to find in the

413
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description of this video for sure and

414
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it's well worth going to check out

415
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um yeah i mean it's it's worth pointing

416
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out you know we're we're there there are

417
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other there are other entities coming in

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to to help finance the film but one of

419
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the ones that we thought was important

420
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to keep keep going is this we funder

421
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campaign which allows sort of members of

422
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the internet community to own a piece of

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the film so

424
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given given the deep war and and and

425
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kind of online community around

426
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like uae is is

427
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um or ufo is is um

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is that we want the audience to be able

429
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to be a part of this film and we feel

430
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like because it's tapping into this vein

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of the culture

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you know so so potently like we want at

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least part of the financing to come from

434
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the audience of the film

435
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and it's also worth mentioning that we

436
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would really have to finance this

437
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,160
ourself if we handed it over to some

438
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,400
major studio that's when you're getting

439
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explosions and really oddly creatively

440
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:07,520
shaped ships and like you know

441
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,640
i don't know

442
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,240
all kinds of tropes and stuff that you

443
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just that don't pay homage to this

444
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the seriousness the intimacy of of this

445
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like

446
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pseudo science that's kind of emerging

447
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:22,080
yeah there's there's there's a lot of

448
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power and

449
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,360
or creative control that we maintain

450
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when we make a film like this

451
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:28,240
independently so that's that's what

452
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,840
we're after here

453
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,679
yeah that's excellent and one thing i

454
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,120
did want to ask is that obviously you

455
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,280
you've been out there i'm not sure how

456
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:37,360
many times but you know obviously you've

457
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,120
shot some some footage out there in that

458
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:40,799
but did you get to meet many of the

459
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,960
locals that do live in that area and did

460
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:45,200
you have any conversations about

461
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:46,720
you know well we're here to film a movie

462
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:48,799
about ufos and did they tell you any

463
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,400
stories locally or anything like that

464
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,000
let's see i mean the first part part of

465
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the question is yeah we we we ended up

466
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,799
staying with kind of a family up in the

467
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mountains that um our producer our

468
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,760
peruvian producer sort of

469
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,400
it like created the the open the door

470
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,480
for so we we ended up

471
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,559
we ended up getting a real sort of sense

472
00:20:16,150 --> 00:20:13,280
of of living you know up in in really

473
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remote area with you know very little

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in the way of

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connection to the outside and um but

476
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,120
nick did i'm sure we talked to people

477
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in that in kokanee about

478
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um yeah so i i definitely was curious

479
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,640
and you know knowing the the lower and

480
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:34,799
how active things are in peru

481
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um i asked almost everybody that was

482
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there

483
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and their answers were all like huh no

484
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,000
like we haven't seen anything

485
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,760
so i mean that's that's just the truth

486
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,159
of the matter i mean i think in general

487
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anywhere you live you're incredibly

488
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,240
incredibly lucky if you get to have an

489
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experience

490
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and um it's the same it's the same there

491
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,480
but um there's there's a tourist

492
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,640
community around it for sure there's

493
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:01,600
people

494
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will go take you take you places

495
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:19,029
we did find one guy who had a lot to say

496
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about

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00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:24,640
this was like a seven year old white

498
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,799
dude who moved and was was going to

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start a spiritual temple down there or

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something like that

501
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and he's just like

502
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i don't know i i guess i'm more

503
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,039
interested in like

504
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,039
peruvian lore

505
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,039
um people who are more maybe more

506
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,720
connected

507
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yeah one of the things that kind of that

508
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i think we're interested in is is

509
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sort of the crossover between

510
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the the folklore around sort of

511
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stars and things up in the sky and

512
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and and ufo and

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and how maybe there's ways that those

514
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two things are separate maybe there's

515
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,520
ways that those two things are

516
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are the same so in other words are are

517
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are what people interpret as gods and

518
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spirits

519
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necessarily

520
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separate from

521
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you know an advanced human craft

522
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,320
coming back in time or a

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you know a

524
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an advanced

525
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technology from somewhere else that

526
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that isn't it ultimately our human

527
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perspective

528
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on what the hell the unexplained is that

529
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,280
is what's interesting and i think that's

530
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that's really

531
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,240
to me where this gets into some

532
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,320
interesting kind of philosophical

533
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,440
questions about about what you know what

534
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:43,360
it's really about humans looking up and

535
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,880
being in on and and having wondered and

536
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:49,440
then that wonder causing problems

537
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,320
yeah

538
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,080
being afraid of something that is

539
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,400
completely unprecedented

540
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,039
uh in your life and and i remember

541
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,880
earlier he was saying that i mean like

542
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it

543
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,640
for people and like i feel like i would

544
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,320
love to have an experience and i think

545
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,159
about it all the time but i think

546
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,480
realistically if i had an experience

547
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,039
even even with my enthusiasm and and

548
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,960
faith that maybe these things could be

549
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:18,240
omnipotent

550
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,200
um

551
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,720
i think it would still scare the crap

552
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,720
out of me because it's

553
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,159
i mean it's just not something you've

554
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:25,919
ever seen before and we're we're just

555
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,919
animals with instincts and it's like

556
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,159
that hey that does not make sense like

557
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,080
what i'm looking at does not make sense

558
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:33,919
like there's this story of this my

559
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,400
favorite ufo sighting story is this dude

560
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,640
who's walking home from school it's like

561
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,799
you know three four in the afternoon and

562
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:42,559
he looks over to his left and like three

563
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,280
houses over there's just a a a saucer

564
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,039
like this hovering above a house kind of

565
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,320
moving wow

566
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,200
and then and then he like he's like no

567
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,799
way no way and then it just like shoots

568
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,039
off and he's like my whole life has been

569
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,440
ruined like everything i can't nothing's

570
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,600
the same anymore i can't enjoy anything

571
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,840
all this stuff and it and it just it's

572
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,120
just like

573
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,360
man you can see the news and you can see

574
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,360
the the like the tic tac video and

575
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,159
that's and that's incredible

576
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,679
but i don't think it

577
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,600
i just i just hope that people also

578
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,760
still pay attention to testimony and

579
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,520
stuff because

580
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:20,000
there's a lot of content in there and

581
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,440
you know it's not as good as government

582
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,480
data

583
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,320
but um

584
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,000
yeah what do you think about government

585
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:28,159
stuff

586
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,080
i follow it closely um and it's very

587
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:33,760
it's very easy to get sort of sucked

588
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,400
into and just shift focus

589
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:38,240
completely onto the government aspect of

590
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:39,120
things

591
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,400
which i've done

592
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,799
but recently i've really broadened out

593
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,000
and i'm speaking to a lot more

594
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,240
experiences these days so it's for

595
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,919
exactly the reason why you said because

596
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,919
some of the testimony that you hear from

597
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,880
people

598
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:52,159
it doesn't

599
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:56,400
believe everything that they say it's

600
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,840
more a case of

601
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,600
they believe what they're saying and

602
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,400
don't pass judgment too quickly and

603
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,080
i'm learning a lot about myself as well

604
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,159
when i talk to these people and it's

605
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,840
it's it's a journey that i've been on

606
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,600
for for years now but

607
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,679
yeah i'm trying not to just focus on one

608
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,279
thing the government stuff

609
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:16,240
it gets exciting and then it dies down

610
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:17,200
yeah

611
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,440
like these people that have seen things

612
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,600
some since they were children and all

613
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:25,600
their lives yeah and some people have

614
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,320
just seen it you know one thing so i'm

615
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
just exploring that avenue at the moment

616
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,919
a little bit more can i pitch out a

617
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,360
theory about all this government

618
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,840
activity a little conspiracy

619
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,279
right

620
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,640
i i i noticed that there's a whole

621
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,640
group of new ufologists who come from

622
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,159
the tic tac videos in the government

623
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:47,919
data and they are religious about only

624
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,600
sticking to government data there's like

625
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:52,080
this whole class of people it's like as

626
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,120
if uf

627
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,679
zip ufology just became serious and

628
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,320
everything preceding it is like not not

629
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,600
worth your time

630
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,799
and i i i noticed that

631
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,559
i start to think maybe this effect is

632
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,720
intentional you have like elizondo lou

633
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,120
elizondo who is like you know he doesn't

634
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,640
exactly represent the government but

635
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,320
he's definitely a former government

636
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:14,400
employee and he just put out an article

637
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,799
that calls for the end of like public

638
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,880
discourse the end of ufology it's like

639
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,200
ufology must die because

640
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,200
people keep getting it wrong and i i

641
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,159
think what like just a conspiracy theory

642
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,760
what they could be doing is giving us

643
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:30,240
little crumbs so that people fixate on

644
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,039
that and they're like well there's a

645
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,880
legitimate source of info so why would

646
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,720
we why would we go and

647
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,279
explore everything else ourselves but if

648
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,120
you do you'll find tons of stuff that

649
00:26:42,870 --> 00:26:41,120
corroborates with the data and with

650
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:42,880
these pilots testimony and everything so

651
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,559
if you're out there listening there's a

652
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,159
there's a whole lot of

653
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,520
great stuff

654
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,679
about this beyond those videos just so

655
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:51,279
you know credible stuff

656
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,720
absolutely yeah you're right the one

657
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:54,640
thing i will say to that is that the

658
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,440
focus on kind of the tic tac and newer

659
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,559
cases

660
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,120
was to get congress and people like that

661
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,120
interested and taking it seriously which

662
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,880
they've done and now what we're seeing

663
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,720
in the new language which may be passed

664
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,640
towards the end of this year

665
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,480
um is actually going to be taking it

666
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,600
back to 1947 so they finally are jumping

667
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,760
further back into the history books to

668
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:17,760
start looking at the cases but initially

669
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,080
they needed to get it to a point where

670
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,919
it was serious for congress and the best

671
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,600
way to do that is by focusing on

672
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,039
military look our military are

673
00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,720
encouraging this and they don't know

674
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,400
what's going on it's becoming a flight

675
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,720
safety issue so congress suddenly take

676
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:33,200
it serious it gets talked about now

677
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,400
they've got them

678
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,679
now they can take them back to the

679
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,240
history books and say right let's get it

680
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,240
all out so i think that that there's a

681
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,760
bit of that in there as well but yeah i

682
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,080
mean we don't none of us know for sure

683
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,679
i mean i've had a lot of conversations

684
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:47,679
with lou we speak regularly he's a good

685
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,720
friend

686
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,039
uh so yeah there's nothing nefarious in

687
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,640
my opinion from lou so okay okay

688
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,399
i like to get into my conspiracies you

689
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,760
know i don't know hey it's good it's

690
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:59,200
good to think isn't it it's good to

691
00:28:00,950 --> 00:28:00,000
think

692
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,960
yeah

693
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,640
now listen one thing i really did i

694
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:04,399
think is really important in the movie

695
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,120
is

696
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,480
the

697
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,360
how you

698
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679
portray that the aliens the others these

699
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,600
beings and and i've got this slide from

700
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,120
your presentation which i'd like to

701
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,640
bring up and just read

702
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,640
for the viewers because i i really like

703
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,480
this and then maybe you can expand on it

704
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,039
so let me just bring that up

705
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,640
so yeah i'm going to read it from my

706
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,120
side screen so bear with me

707
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:27,039
so the characters the aliens the

708
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:29,039
peruvian andes are a hotbed of modern

709
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,279
ufo sightings with a rich history of ink

710
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,440
and folklore around the subject the

711
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,360
extraterrestrial forces in this film

712
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,120
will not adhere to our understanding of

713
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,000
time and space they will exceed them

714
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,840
their encounters exist as a sort of

715
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,159
portal through time and space connecting

716
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,159
the present with the past future and

717
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,840
dimensions beyond

718
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,000
the alien energy has taken up a sort of

719
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,679
residence or resounding in this

720
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,000
particular valley of the andes mountains

721
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:56,080
and only reveals itself to particular

722
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,120
people

723
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,279
for some the supernatural altercations

724
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,520
unlock a recent emotional wound for

725
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,279
others it shows them a history of their

726
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,520
suffering people by the malignant powers

727
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,480
that be

728
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,240
an altercation can leave an individual

729
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:10,080
filled with a new and strange sort of

730
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,640
energy or it can fill them with empathy

731
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,600
and love

732
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,120
or it will possess them with the

733
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:18,000
darkness that has always been inside

734
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,440
now that really stood out to me because

735
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,200
you're not just going one dimensionally

736
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,080
these are good these are bad it can make

737
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,480
people feel different things so

738
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,919
hats off to you because i think that's

739
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,679
really it touches upon a lot of the

740
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,120
theories that do

741
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,120
uh you know get talked about in the ufo

742
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:35,120
community so how did you bring all that

743
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:40,389
it's a it's a good question i mean i

744
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,279
think

745
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,480
again like the the elements of discovery

746
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:46,559
when you're making a movie are

747
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:49,600
throughout the process so there's

748
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:51,440
sort of your initial

749
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,640
initial ideas then there's your ideas

750
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,919
after you've

751
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,000
you've started to really look at them in

752
00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,919
the eye and then there's the ideas once

753
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:02,399
you're in an editing room or or with a

754
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,480
camera and actors and

755
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:05,919
and so i think

756
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,960
maybe the most important thing is that

757
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,600
we've just we've approached this

758
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,679
in a way that is

759
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,840
we're not on the one hand reinventing

760
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,919
the wheel in terms of the depiction but

761
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
we're also on the other hand not

762
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,880
not trying to sort of give you little

763
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,720
green meant um

764
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,480
and i think

765
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,720
i think um

766
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,399
as we've been talking about it's it's

767
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:32,559
it's it's about leaving some things

768
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,840
unseen it's about

769
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,840
um it's about letting the experience

770
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,320
that each individual person has and

771
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,240
maybe some people have a little bit more

772
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,480
ability than others to have have that

773
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,600
experience

774
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,240
based on their their past or their

775
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,360
their lineage um you know

776
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,360
one thing that to me started to become

777
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:54,640
evident was

778
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,720
this could be a really personal and

779
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:58,320
intimate experience i think that's

780
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,760
something that nick was touching on

781
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,679
earlier was that

782
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,600
um

783
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,320
ultimately it's a profound life-changing

784
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:09,039
human experience just to be in contact

785
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:12,159
with something that feels supernatural

786
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,200
um

787
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,840
so i think that's the main

788
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,679
that's the that's the heart of what the

789
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,080
characters in the film are who who

790
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,640
who encounter the the other that's what

791
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,120
they're experiencing and that's

792
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,520
that trying to almost articulate that to

793
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:29,440
other people who haven't had that

794
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,520
experience is is sort of one of the

795
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,640
struggles

796
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:33,440
that

797
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,519
we're sort of

798
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,799
imbuing the character with um

799
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,799
in our story but it's it's tough to talk

800
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,240
about because i also don't want to give

801
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,320
away

802
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,080
everything that we're working on

803
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:50,159
but it's but i think you know to tiptoe

804
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,600
around it right nick i mean that's

805
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,679
science that's kind of yeah i i would

806
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,159
say basically it's it's an amalgamation

807
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,480
of all the what i what i would consider

808
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,200
to be the most likely scenarios while

809
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:03,279
still leaving enough ambiguous that we

810
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,000
don't look silly in a couple of years

811
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:07,840
and and um

812
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:10,559
yeah so i study like a lot of abduction

813
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,080
stuff it's probably my favorite thing to

814
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:15,120
get into you know john mack yeah

815
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:18,000
anything else and and um

816
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,120
and

817
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,600
i i i've you know probably like you over

818
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,960
time you read enough of this stuff and

819
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,720
you and you start to notice things that

820
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,399
that are similar to each other and those

821
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,720
are the things that i that i latch on to

822
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,559
and um

823
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:33,120
yeah and and that's the most amazing

824
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,240
thing i'm not really sure why why a lot

825
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,320
of movies aren't picking up on that but

826
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:40,240
that's that's the juice that's like it

827
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,320
that's it right there is is this what

828
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,960
we're hearing is extremely extremely

829
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,080
interesting

830
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,000
and and

831
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,799
it allows you to explore like

832
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,440
so many facets of human life in humanity

833
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,120
too which is what cutters cutter's

834
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,000
having a field day with um he's like so

835
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,760
good at portraying

836
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,720
uh

837
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,279
humans and and like just everything he

838
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:05,919
shoots looks so real so this plot lends

839
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,720
itself to that and like

840
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,399
we just have a really sincere thing

841
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,320
going on and and uh

842
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,080
we just want to do honor to the uh

843
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,559
community and make an alien movie for

844
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,320
people who well not alien you know

845
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,440
whatever phenomenal movie for people who

846
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,440
who are truly interested in this topic

847
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,919
and spend time with it and appreciate

848
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,320
what questions arise from it

849
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,760
yeah i mean it really shines through

850
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,360
like i said from the from the moment i

851
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,200
first saw the trailer and everything

852
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,720
i've sort of seen

853
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,360
from from you guys it really does

854
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,880
point in the direction like it's a

855
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,559
breath of fresh air so that people in

856
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,799
the community really are going to be

857
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,399
hyped about this one you know we

858
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:46,720
recently had note by jordan peele which

859
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,080
i thought was great it was different um

860
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,760
mixed feelings on certain parts of the

861
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,240
film i won't go into it but you know

862
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,159
this one i think is is going to sort of

863
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,880
elevate it even further so listen when

864
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,559
it does kind of get further down the

865
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,480
road maybe next year and we start seeing

866
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:03,760
more and you'll be able to talk about

867
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:05,200
more i really would love it if you'd

868
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,559
come back on and we can have a sort of

869
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:08,159
more in-depth discussion that would be

870
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,200
incredible

871
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,119
i think we would love that yeah we would

872
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,720
love that and we we appreciate we

873
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,119
appreciate your interest and and and

874
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,440
you giving us this platform with the

875
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,760
with the community because like like

876
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,000
nick was pointing out like the

877
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,399
it's really the like the people that we

878
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,200
want this movie to to be for and the

879
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,679
people that we want to to love this film

880
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:32,240
and and who were working so hard to kind

881
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,040
of

882
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,079
entertain our our um

883
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,720
our people in the ufo community and i

884
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,599
think

885
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,399
you know i've heard guests on your show

886
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,399
talk about you know and and just just

887
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,960
generally you know science fiction has a

888
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,000
really strong ability to kind of color

889
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,159
people's opinions and and thoughts about

890
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,440
it and and

891
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,879
um you know i heard a guest of yours

892
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,560
talking about how sort of back to the

893
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,320
future kind of ruined

894
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,480
the the plausibility of time travel

895
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,520
because because of how it portrayed

896
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:04,320
um

897
00:35:08,310 --> 00:35:06,000
how it betrayed time travel on the other

898
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,320
hand that introduces time travel to a

899
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,160
lot of people so i think

900
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,160
we we understand kind of the power of

901
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:14,079
cinema and the power of science fiction

902
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,119
and sort of

903
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:17,440
depicting depicting this and so i think

904
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,440
we're really like i said we're making a

905
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,359
genre film it's a thriller it's a horror

906
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,359
film it's it's it's in that

907
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:25,040
in that space

908
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,560
but it's um

909
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,160
we're trying to take it extremely

910
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,280
seriously in in how the depiction is and

911
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,880
do it in a way that

912
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,520
that makes makes us kind of

913
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,720
uh

914
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,040
makes us makes us satisfied but but also

915
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,680
sort of really strikes a chord of truth

916
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,720
in the

917
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,599
think

918
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:47,839
nick is nick is our key member of the

919
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:50,240
team as you can see he's like a a

920
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,960
like

921
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,400
a uh

922
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:55,440
uh very sensitive to what what is kind

923
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,240
of

924
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,640
in hollywood versus actually a

925
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,079
real sort of

926
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:01,839
uh depiction of what people are seeing

927
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,359
and what people what phenomena is being

928
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:05,119
captured on camera in different places

929
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,839
and um so it's you know ultimately to

930
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,839
say it's really authenticity is crucial

931
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,560
to us in every direction on this project

932
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,400
yeah it shows like i said it absolutely

933
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,720
shows already so i'm just really excited

934
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,480
for everybody watching this in the

935
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,240
comments below you can go and support

936
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,800
you can help the funding but even if

937
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,400
it's just go and watch the trailer and

938
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,000
share that with your friends and just

939
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,079
keep the buzz going because it is going

940
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:30,240
to be an incredible project to see right

941
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,040
through

942
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,599
fingers crossed to the full-blown movie

943
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,200
and i'm excited to see every step of the

944
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:37,280
way and do what i can to help you guys

945
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:38,079
so

946
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:42,880
here and doing what you're doing

947
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,200
yeah we appreciate it and and a big big

948
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,960
shout out to our um

949
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,800
to our other partner john heibi on this

950
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,880
project and and uh

951
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,240
and to tita

952
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:54,800
who was our producer in peru

953
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,599
and uh always to aldo the master so

954
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,760
thank you

955
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,960
awesome

956
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:02,960
all right guys thanks so much